Army Lt. Ehren Watada, with his father, Bob Watada, during a break in hearings last August. Lieutenant Watada’s court-martial is set for next week. (Photo: Associated Press)Court-martial proceedings are scheduled to begin on Monday in the case of First Lt. Ehren K. Watada, an Army officer who refused to ship out with his brigade when it set off for Iraq last June — citing his opposition “to the continued war in Iraq, the deception used to wage this war, and the lawlessness that has pervaded every aspect of our civilian leadership.”
But Lieutenant Watada is no ordinary deserter, and he did not claim to be a conscientious objector. Instead, he took his stand, he has said, against the second front the United States and its allies opened in the “war on terror” by invading Iraq.
He has offered to serve in Afghanistan, “which he regarded as an unambiguous war linked to the Sept. 11 attacks,” according to The Times’ coverage of Lieutenant Watada’s refusal last summer.
The request was denied, and Lieutenant Watada faces charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, including one count of missing movements (for not deploying) and two counts of conduct unbecoming an officer.
(A video statement, in which Mr. Watada laid out his own justifications for his decision last June, is posted online.)
The trial begins on Monday at Ft. Lewis, Washington. Lieutenant Watada told Reuters this week:
It’s not that I am scared. It’s that I strongly believe this war is illegal and immoral and participation in it would be contrary to my oath to this country.
Two weeks ago, the Army officer presiding over the case, Lt. Col. John M. Head of Fort Lewis, denied two defense motions. The ruling rejected a defense request that it be allowed to present testimony that the conflict in Iraq is unlawful, rendering the deployment order unlawful.
The defense sought to invoke a version of the “Nuremberg defense,” according to the court’s ruling, which would allow it to present “witnesses who would testify that the war in Iraq was a crime against peace, a war of aggression, and a violation of the United Nations Charter, other international law, and U.S. law. The accused would testify that his refusal to go to Iraq was based upon the belief that he would be committing war crimes because the United States was involved in a war of aggression and a crime against peace.”
The court would have none of that. From the Jan. 16 ruling:
The defense motion for a hearing on the “Nuremberg defense” is DENIED. The government motion to prevent the defense from presenting evidence on the legality of the war is GRANTED. The government motion to prevent the defense from introducing evidence of the accused’s motive not to deploy is GRANTED. Further, I find by a preponderance of the evidence, the order to deploy, if given, was LAWFUL.
Lieutenant Watada made a video statement on June 6 last year.The other defense motion sought the dismissal of the conduct-unbecoming charges, which stem from public comments Lieutenant Watada made encouraging soldiers “to throw down their weapons” to resist an authoritarian government at home, according to Reuters.
The defense argued that the charges should be thrown out becasue the lietuenant’s comments were protected under the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech, but Colonel Head rejected that motion, too:
An officer challenging the lawfulness of a war or combat action could tend to interfere with or prevent the orderly accomplishment of the mission or present a clear danger to loyalty, discipline, mission, or morale of the troops. … [T]he accused identifies himself as an officer and urges soldiers not to participate in the war. This could have a clear and present danger to the loyalty, discipline, mission, or morale of the troops. These are questions of fact for the members.
Beyond having become a cause célèbre for opponents of the war, Lieutenant Watada’s case — particularly on the latter charges of conduct unbecoming — has attracted great interest among civil libertarians.
Kathleen Duignan, executive director of the National Institute of Military Justice, a non-profit organization, was quoted by Reuters today:
“This case will test the limits of what is free speech and what is speech that can be curtailed in the military.
Of course, when you join the military you give up some of your constitutional rights, such as the right to complete unfettered free speech.”
Lieutenant Watada, who faces up to four years in prison if convicted on all counts, told Reuters this week, “When you have leaders that are unaccountable, who have already deceived people over something as serious as war and are willing to do it again, you have to ask yourself, ‘where do you stand?’ “

2007
4:22 pm
Such courage and conviction is sorely lacking in Washington.
— Posted by Chuck McCullagh
2007
4:34 pm
It seems to me that this is a high case of relieving a superior of command. It is a perfectly legitimate thing to do, when a superior who gives an order is giving an order that an officer or enlisted member of the military percieves that the order itself is fundamentally not in the interests of the military or the people. I have to agree with Mr. Watada, after the premise for this war was shown to be false, the President should have gone back to Congress for permission to continue, or pull out completely.
— Posted by Marcus Collins
2007
4:34 pm
Yes,
As a military officer, Lt. Watada’s “free speech” rights are limited, particularly in an “all-volunteer” force; however it is unfortunate that the judge in this case refused the motion to present evidence related to “the Nuremberg defense.”
What I find more shocking though, is how Democrats, the media, and the public at large, overwhelmingly supported Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003, in the face of world opposition. (Anyone recall “Freedom Fries, and Freedom Toast?”)
It is a shame on the democratic process in this country that the public did not challenge the President’s claims of a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.
By the way, I am Republican, and was opposed to the war from the beginning. Saddam Hussein was a very evil man; but deterrence would have worked against Iraq. He would not have wanted to antagonize the U.S. beyond a certain point (such as supporting Al Qaeda) because he wanted to remain in power.
— Posted by Rajesh S. Raghavan
2007
4:34 pm
I happen to agree with Lt. Watada about the war being illegal. However, Lt. Watada signed up for military service and part of that is going where your superior officers order you to go. Such is the price that you pay when you sign on the line to go and defend our country.
— Posted by Chris
2007
4:35 pm
He sounds like a naive flake. Why did he join the military in the first place? He is willing to go to Afghanistan, so apparently he is convinced that it is ok kill people in Afghanistan but not Iraq. Killing is wrong wherever it is done. I hope he gets all four years in prison just for being a dolt.
— Posted by Colonel Chompers
2007
4:43 pm
How about we send Lt. Watada and 19,999 others into Afghanistan to find Osama rather than waste time putting him on trial & trying to set up a democracy in a country no one cares about?
— Posted by Alex
2007
4:44 pm
How is it possible to rule on a case before the case has even been tried? LT Watada’s intended defense is the key issue of this war. How frightening to the administration such a clear statement of President Bush’s criminality must it be to have it so openly and illegally “disallowed”.
Courts Martial are decided by a jury of 3 peers. Usually, in the military, that means 3 officers in the case of an officer, at least two of whom are senior enough in rank to be easily swayed by the political ramifications to their careers of any decision that doesn’t toe the line. The deck is already stacked against LT Watada. The job of the judge is try and make a stacked deck at least appear fair.
This judge needs to be forcibly discharged from the Armed Forces for conduct unbecoming himself.
LT Watada has clearly already won the moral victory.
I hope President Clinton gives him the pardon that he will so richly deserve after this farce of a trial is over.
— Posted by Scott Robinson
2007
4:46 pm
I believe he should get the same punishment as Private Eddie Slovik received.
— Posted by randbach
2007
4:50 pm
A very tough call on the lieutenant’s part. I think that being in the military means you do what you are told and go where you are sent. You’re not there to think or criticize. Anything else threatens the whole chain of command structure. However, full marks for having the courage to stand up for his beliefs and full marks for not running but staying there to take whatever is dished out.
To his father, Bob Watada, you’ve got one helluva son! You can be very proud of him.
Personally, I believe the good lieutenant is correct in his assessment of the lawfulness of the Iraq conflict and someday (soon, one would hope) cooler heads will prevail and the US military will come home.
— Posted by R Pope
2007
4:52 pm
There have to be people for democracy or anything that stands for it! And there are! Don’t we count at all? For one thing, we will definitely vote! ST
— Posted by sabinetober
2007
4:54 pm
My heart goes out to Lt.Watada> I agree to his stance he joined the military for pure reasons to protect his country and our freedom. Bush sent the troops under lies and false information he should be court-martiled for breaking the law by lying to our country and the troops. Bush is using the miltary for his own agenda of controlling the oil not to defend America. Lt. Watada is a true patriot Bush is not. I’m sure there are other troops who feel the same as LT,Watda but don’t have the courage that Lt.Watada has to speak out. I am truly humbled by your courage and conviction Lt. Watada thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Your parents must be very proud.
— Posted by Michele Miller
2007
4:59 pm
What kind of culture do we live in where this young man is threatened with jail for acting on his conscience and George Bush is elected President for having an inflated ego? In my view there is no question as to which of the two is a real man.
And what kind of help or participation does Lt. Watada want from the rest of us?
— Posted by Donald Dal Maso
2007
5:02 pm
This man is truly an American hero–a man with the courage of his convictions. When dealing with the unlawful and criminal aadministration that has been destroying our country from the highest levels of government, this man’s courage should be an example to us all. Now if only we can find a political figure in this country who has a fraction of the courage and strength this man possesses…
— Posted by Ryk Bowers
2007
5:05 pm
Former Secretary of State, General Collin Powell, told us that he was misled for Iraq war by a CIA report which is manipulated by White House. Since Bush lied to US Congress to get permission to invade Iraq, Congress can void the permission and the war is illegal. US Congress should take this vote to void their permission to Iraq war if they have consciousness and obey US Constitution.
— Posted by Greed Sin
2007
5:08 pm
I totally agree with Lieutenant Watada. This war is illegal, inmoral abd fabricated by lies of the Bush Administration. Iraq was not the terrorist. Bush’s friends from Saudi Arabia were. 15 out of the 18 terrorists that took part in the Sept. 11 attack were from Saudi Arabia, none from Iraq. Why did we invade Iraq I don’t know. Why did we go to war against Iraq I don’t know. Oil? Probably.
My son is in the Military complex. He took part in the fight in Fallugiah. He is deaf from the shelling but, thanks God he came alive. I hope he does not go again, perhaps to loose his life for nothing. Hussein did not deserve a drop of blood of an American soldier. I studied about him. He was a butcher. He killed the members of his own family in order to keep himself in power. But he did not cause any problems to this country.
I hope they bring back all the soldiers now. Good luch, Lieutenant Watada.
— Posted by John Llerena
2007
5:12 pm
First Lt. Watada is clearly a hero who demonstrates far more integrity than our leadership. To those brainwashees who will accuse him of cowardice for refusing to fight, I say, there is more courage in his stand than in drinking Bush’s kool-aid and shipping off to Iraq to kill, be killed, and perpetrate our administration abominable policies.
— Posted by Stefano
2007
5:15 pm
In response to #s 4&5 If he would have been ordered to shoot your mother and refused would you want him going to trial.Remember Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
— Posted by Jim
2007
5:17 pm
President Bush is not on trial for his rationale behind the war. Lieutenant Watada is. Whether he thought this war was justified or not, he is not and never was in a position to question this war. He has a commitment to the troops under his charge and his refusal to lead them demonstrates such a grave failure of leadership on his part that his actions cannot go unnoticed.
— Posted by QuasiMondo
2007
5:19 pm
I hope this gets the press coverage it deserves. Lt. Watada is one of the few people I can point to whose actions in response to this illegal war have made sense. How shameful that the officer presiding over the court proceedings has chosen to further sully our democracy by refusing to let the defense present its testimony. The cowardice that this reflects is in painfully sharp contrast to Lt. Watada’s courageous and patriotic actions. Here’s hoping that true democracy wins in these increasingly secretive and autocratic times. And to echo the question asked by Donald above, what can we do to further Lt. Watada’s cause? Is there at least a way to contribute to a defense fund?
— Posted by Laura
2007
5:25 pm
A very strange case. If he objects, why did he join in? did he think he would be sent to wars only of his choosing? this is absurd, he is a soldier, he obeys. or join the salvation army.
i am not dicussing the war in iraq, it is pointless. but i am damn glad it is in iraq and not here in the US.
— Posted by Lobo
2007
5:28 pm
I think Lt. Watada has stood up for just the right reason given the constitutional illegality of the Iraq invasion and occupation. Bush/Cheney, etc. are constitutional criminals (war criminals too)and any military officer or soldier should be debating whether to serve as the instrument of death and destruction for these despots. Valuing power and resources over human life and dignity is despicable and evil.
Lt. Watabe is a hero of the highest kind; an “ordinary” person making a courageous decision in extraordinary circumstances. Hopefully, when the Bush administation launches attacks against Iran in the next couple of months, a few more will stand up.
— Posted by Curtis Harvey
2007
5:29 pm
In the the military, the soldier is expected to carry out the commands of his superior however incompetent the officer maybe or however inane the command may sound. This seemingly slave like discipline is at the heart of the modern military. The military would never function if it is run on a democratic basis with deference to personal ideology.
Personally, I am solidly against the war. Yet I feel that if Lt. Watada feels so strongly about the issue, he should prove that strength of character in accepting and bearing the punishment without a contest. Not hiding behind lawyers and internet videos.
— Posted by Paul Cornell
2007
5:32 pm
Colonel Chompers clearly doesn’t have enough courage in his convictions to even use a real name. If he had any life at all away from his screen, he would know that “dolts” are not made with the resolve that Lt. Watada evinces. Dolts carp from the sidelines.
Agree with Lt. Watada or not, but be aware that one does not go down the path of resistance within the military so capably without discernment, courage, and vital self respect.
— Posted by Alan Venning
2007
5:36 pm
I definitely side with the Lt. and hope for a good outcome for his family. His offer to fight in Afganistan [a much more compelling war front for fighting terror] shows his loyalty to his country and his commitment to be a soldier.
If we don’t continue to speak out we may be having similar discussions about Iran in near future.
I applaud those with the conscience to stand by their personal values no matter the cost.
One might make the argument that Bush is doing the same with his tunnel vision on Iraq but stupidity, hubris and lack of insight separates him from Lt. Watada. Sadly, men and women like the Lt. will continue to pay the price for Bush/Cheney war machine. Let’s hope they grow a conscience before more troops are sacrificed.
— Posted by paula mae
2007
5:39 pm
As a fellow member of the U.S. armed forces, I have two things to say.
First of all, Lt. Watada’s voluntary commitment to military service most definitely does NOT mean that he has to “go wherever his superior officers tell him to go.” In fact, one of a our duties is to distinguish between lawful and unlawful orders, and Lt. Watada’s defense is grounded in his assertion that the order for him to go to war was unlawful.
Secondly, I would like to say that I applaud Lt. Watada’s offer to serve in Afghanistan instead of Iraq. His offer was based on the fact that our war in Afghanistan is and was generally accepted (by the American public and the international community) to be a lawful war. His reasoning was not that it is ok to kill people in Afghanistan but not Iraq. His purpose was, instead, to highlight the injustice of our invasion of Iraq, as opposed to the justified, publicly-supported war we still wage (now on the back-burner) in Afghanistan.
My heart goes out to you, LT, especially as I read about the ridiculous injustice of your “trial.” Thank you for standing strong at a time when so many of us are faltering. I wish you all the courage in the world!
— Posted by SGT Jane
2007
5:42 pm
I admire Lt. Watada because he dares to bear the consequences of telling the truth and act according to his noble convictions. I am not a lawyer nor judge but my heart tells me he is right. What the American government have done and are doing to the Iraqi people is unfunded, criminal, ugly and stupid, in conclusion, utterly despictable. History will deplore this chapter, and America will ultimately have to rehabilitate Lt. Watada. He may one day become the president.
— Posted by Nekko
2007
5:43 pm
I am strongly opposed to the war in Iraq, yet I am a bit concerned about the precedent that would be set by someone succeeding in such a case. If soldiers don’t do what they are told, you don’t have an army. On the OTHER hand, it isn’t as if he was drafted to defend his country against the Nazi scourge. If someone volunteers to serve his country and is forced to risk his life in such a futile and destructive manner - with no perceived benefit to his country, his family, or himself, or to the occupied country for that matter - “un-volunteering” seems like a reasonable option. When passing judgement lets keep in mind that Mr Bush, Mr Cheney, Mr Rumsfeld etal may be well be remembered as precipitating the decline of the greatest power the world has known. Mr Watada almost makes me proud to be an American again.
— Posted by Mike C
2007
5:45 pm
to contribute to Lt Watada’s legal defense fund, please visit his support website and follow the links to “donate”
www.thankyoult.org
— Posted by Stefano
2007
5:47 pm
The Uniform Code of Military Justice states that there are some orders which a military servicemember should not follow. Now the question is, how does one decide whether a servicemember has made a reasonable decision about whether an order should be followed. I don’t understand how the military can claim that it gives anything like a fair trial if it doesn’t allow the servicemember to present his/her perspective on this critical question–it doesn’t matter whether the judge thinks the defense is weak. Does the American military accept the validity of its own code of justice, or not??
— Posted by Craig Heinke
2007
5:52 pm
One of my favorite movies of all time, a film classic, is Stanley Kubrick’s “Paths of Glory”. This movie is in many ways an example of the B.S. that can exist in the military. For those of you who firmly believe that a soldiers duty is to follow orders without question, well, please go and see this movie.
This quote is great, Kirk Douglas plays Col. Dax who is defending 3 men facing a court martial.
Col. Dax: “Gentlemen of the court, there are times when I’m ashamed to be a member of the human race and this is one such occasion. It’s impossible for me to summarise the case for the defence since the court never allowed me a reasonable opportunity to present my case.”
How fitting….
— Posted by Michael G
2007
5:52 pm
This is a perfect example of how the totalitarian government does what it wants under false premises, lies and misleading statements and reminds the public ‘You can see but you can’t do anything about it!’. Lt. Watada has shown courage that few possess in the face of such odds. It is now required for the People of America to rise in one voice against the great injustice being done at their cost and remind the Selfish, ruthless politicians that Its Opinion counts and it will no longer be mislead.
— Posted by A Chandra
2007
5:55 pm
Check out http://www.thankyoult.org/content/view/33/29/. It looks legitimate as far as I can tell. You can donate there.
— Posted by SGT Jane
2007
5:57 pm
IF history shows that the war in Iraq was illegal; IF history proves –and it will — that our leaders falsified evidence and misrepresented virtually everything from the existence of WMDs to the so-called mission as accomplished; IF history proves that this whole sordid, deadly affair was based on lies, untruths, and the utter folly of stupid old men with a raft of complexes that would have shocked and awed Freud; IF history shows that our leaders, knowing that not even the Russians could win in Afghanistan and so the probability of our failure in a country harboring Osama bin Laden was stratospheric at best; then Lt. Watada’s trial(s) will not have been in vain. Let’s not forget: Lt. Watada volunteered for duty in Afghanistan, to fight and topple al Qaeda. Yes, as a soldier, he must go where he is sent; but if he is sent anywhere as the result of falsehoods, then the whole reason for anyone’s being there is a lie. And no one — ever — should have to die because of lies.
— Posted by EmmaPeale
2007
6:03 pm
I closely studied the video. This young officer is clearly a principled, intellegent and moral person.
Best for all concerned to drop the charges and give Lt. Watada an immediate honorable discharge.
Nothing good will come from his courts martial whatever the verdict.
I look forward to Lt. Watada entering public life sooner rather than later.
— Posted by MARK KLEIN, M.D.
2007
6:03 pm
Chris said: ‘I happen to agree with Lt. Watada about the war being illegal. But when you sign up for the military…”
No, if you agree that the war is illegal, and your orders to participate in it are similarly illegal, you have the obligation to refuse to carry them out. I dislike how the court refers to Lt. Watada’s defense as “the Neuremburg defense”- if anything he is doing the inverse. At Neuremburg the accused argued that they were only following orders- this is generally known as the “Neuremburg defense”. The court said that soldiers have a duty to refuse to carry out illegal orders, and the accused were hung.
Lt. Watada was following that command and is now on trial without the ability to so prove that the order he was refusing to follow was illegal. This is just wrong. The court should have to hear that evidence.
— Posted by TonyD
2007
6:06 pm
Thank God there are still Americans who have sense and integrity. I would gladly contribute to a defense fund for First Lt. Watada. He is a brave young man and I am grateful for his strength in speaking up. I am sure it was not easy for him.
— Posted by Marvine Stamatakis
2007
6:12 pm
The Nuremberg Defense ought not to have been denied, to properly assess today’s unpleasantness in Iraq. But he did join the service, he wore the uniform, and he accepted his pay. This means that he must serve, no matter where and for whatever purpose.
I was re-called to serve in the Korean War, and I detested the idea. But I went.
— Posted by Tony
2007
6:16 pm
Those of you who think Watada should blindly “follow orders” only need look back to Nürnberg. It wasn’t accepted as an excuse then and its refusal must not be accepted as an indictment now.
Watada swore an oath to uphold the constitution, (which include all treaties domestic and foreign), not a president and his illegal actions. He is doing the right thing, period.
— Posted by Markus Ward
2007
6:20 pm
It’s easy to determine which of these respondentsare too young to remember WWII. Such behavior by a soldier during that time would always result in imprisonment. No one put a gun to this mans head and forced him to enlist. He swore allegiance to his country and in so doing he also agreed to follow orders. It’s not important that he disagrees with his commander. All of us have an opinion about the war, but that opinion is not necessarily correct. Such is the beauty of a two-party system, of government. This man should go to jail.
— Posted by Jack Crane
2007
6:26 pm
Following in the proud footsteps of the No-No boys, the 442nd, and 100th Battalion, Ehren Watada has acted with courage and conscience. Perhaps if we as a society honored the actions of people like Lt. Watada and valued morality over unquestioning SS-like obedience, we would not be where we are today.
— Posted by Another Japanese American
2007
6:27 pm
The Army should have just quietly shipped him off to Afganistan. They’d still have an officer in combat, and there wouldn’t be enough publicity for this to affect morale.
— Posted by K Takahashi
2007
6:27 pm
Lt. Watada is a brave man who exemplifies the greatness of America. The open exchange of ideas is what elevates our nation politically, culturally and economically.
— Posted by Paul L.
2007
6:29 pm
Officers are *required* to disobey orders they belief to be immoral, aren’t they? At least since Nuremburg. Lt. Watada’s sacrifice shines a laser beam through the fog of American obfuscation over the illegal and immoral nature of the attack on Iraq.
— Posted by shoebeacon
2007
6:31 pm
I am a former Army officer, Iraq War veteran, and Democrat who believes the time has come to pull out.
I also believe there is no justification for Watada’s actions. He took an oath to “obey the orders of the commander in chief, and the orders of the officers appointed over him.” This oath was voluntary. When we join, we give up certain liberties - the only vote we have left is to vote with our feet when our service has been honorably completed (as I did).
Watada presumably had enlisted soldiers for whom he was responsible - where is the loyalty to these men, who had to deploy with either a new officer or none at all?
The time for making political statements is after your service - not during it. It is a very bad precedent for soldiers of any rank to get involved with policy - that is not our job; it is the job of the civilian government whom we serve (regardless of how incompetant they might be).
— Posted by Dave
2007
6:33 pm
If Bush is so committed to fight for Iraq, perhaps He should go to Iraq himself with his team of supporters instead of sacrificing thousands of American troops and their families and costing billions of dollars of taxpayer’s money which could have otherwise been well spent on development of living conditions of the people in the country and the people affected by natural disasters.
— Posted by Caped Crusader
2007
6:35 pm
Conscientious objection is a legal right. Encouraging other solders to disobey and go against orders can also be called mutiny!
— Posted by Henk
2007
6:36 pm
Everyone now knows Bush lied many, many times. Iraq has nothing whatsoever to do with the events of 9-11. Yes, Lieutenant Watada has the RIGHT to his stand. No one should have to die, or murder others for a liar, who now has exclusive oil drilling contracts in Iraq. Surprise, surprise. American have the right to speak the truth. What is wrong with those of you who disagree? He is doing what WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. WE ARE NOT SLAVES,TO MINDLESSLY OBEY CORRUPT LEADER’S ORDERS TO MURDER,OR BE JAILED.
— Posted by Andrea ONeal
2007
6:42 pm
I’m not surprised at the lack of intellectual integrity displayed in the replies so far considering the leftist leanings of this publication, but I do want to call on all of the mob here to step back and use your minds a little bit.
First of all, I’m willing to bet that none of you here had any problems with the Yugoslavia fiasco but that’s probably because the troops were sent there by President Clinton. HOWEVER, would you feel the same way about Lt. Watada’s unlawful actions if he refused to go there?
A soldier’s lot is to go where his Commander in Chief, duly elected by the people of America (no, New York is not America — I’m sorry to disappoint you all but New York is just one state in the union), orders him to go. End of discussion.
— Posted by Oliver
2007
6:43 pm
Lt. Watada is a hero in my opinion. I can only hope more soldiers start standing up and saying NO more.
What can we do? I know I am sending an email in support of Lt. Watada to every one I know, with a link to the story.
The internet can be a very powerful tool. I say let’s use it. Let’s show these soldiers how much support they really have. I think it’s a lot more than anyone realizes. Maybe more soldiers will then see we will support them if they also take a stand. We have a soldier in Illinois who is also saying no. Drew Sleezer, Army specialist. After serving his country overseas in Afghanistan, an Illinois soldier is now refusing to return to duty, this time in Iraq.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=49094 35
This email is to show support for Lt. Watada, a soldier with the courage and conviction to stand up and say No. Even if it means going to jail.
Add your name and State
— Posted by Korpal
2007
6:45 pm
The fact that he is willing to fight in Afghanistan is the key here. He’s not trying to duck service to his country; he just doesn’t want to fight in a war based on faulty intelligence, lies, and execution that has to be the worst in U.S. history.
I salute the young man and wish him good luck!
— Posted by Diane Wisneski
2007
6:46 pm
The issue is that he is refusing an order that though he may disagree with is in fact lawful. The military cannot perform it’s duties if the men and women who comprise it could overturn any order they received based on a personal disagreement with it. I respect him for joining the military - I have no idea if there were any ulterior motives to it - but once in he is the one who has to show that an order is unlawful if he disobeys it.
— Posted by Jared
2007
6:46 pm
Lt.Watada impresses me as being an intelligent and thoughtful man . I applaud his stance. He is calling our leaders to task on the untruths that have been told to wage an unjust war in Iraq. He clearly states that he is not seeking to shirk his duties as a soldier. He is willing to go to Afghanistan where he believes our intervention is justified. This man makes me proud to be an American citizen. Congratulations to his parents for raising a person of conviction.
— Posted by ann
2007
6:59 pm
#18 clearly has no understanding for military law.
Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey lawful orders and have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders, including orders by the president. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
Seems to me Lt. Watada is actually OBEYING his orders by refusing to fight in Iraq. But apparently to some, conforming and blindly going along with the group is more important than doing what’s moral and legal.
— Posted by Chris
2007
6:59 pm
The first duty of a soldier is to disobey any unlawful illegal orders. George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield and C. Rice are war criminals for waging agressive illegal war and hence their orders are illegal. Their is no difference between Hitler, Hussein and Bush.
— Posted by Scott S.
2007
7:00 pm
Alex, I agree with you, except there are some people who do care about Iraq, for various reasons. I would love to see the actual alleged instigator and all those related brought to justice.
It is difficult to decide whether Lt. Watada’s conduct was unbecoming because read here, it is taken out of context, and I have no idea of the true circumstances of that portion of his charges. If he was giving a direct order for them to throw down their weapons, that would most certainly be unbecoming conduct.
Of the American military men and women I know, it is understood that being a part of the military is not the same as being a regular citizen. Objectification of self as purpose attainer is prevalent, with emphasis placed on heirarchy and strict control measures to enfore that structure. But it does beg the point that at what level does one step in when something seems wrong? Does one have to be higher than he in order to have their voice fully heard? And if not an officer…then how high up? Where do/es the correct voice/s of objection truly rest?
It seems that Lt. Watada knew what he was getting himself into. Whether due to naive hope, or stupidity did he expect to get his wish for redeployment is not for me to say. (Anyone who has ever dealt with or knows someone who has dealt with orders knows what I’m talking about.) I do, however, feel that he has a right to defend himself, and thus far it seems that he is being left with little means to do so. This is why so many countersuits often happen, which I don’t believe can happen within a military court system.
It is true that President Bush is not on trial, but if his involvement in the continued military objectives in Iraq is a direct reason for Lt. Watada’s objections, and later charges, that involvement must be examined as to whether there is merit or not. It is the actions that are being examined as a possible cause/rationale/etc., not the President specifically.
As far as I know, miltary lawyers do not get paid in the manner as civilians are, so I don’t believe there would be a defense fund to donate to unless Lt. Watada tries to press charges or has charges pressed against him in some manner in a civil court. Anyone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on that account.
As much as I would like to see Congress step up and “just say no” to a continuation of what I feel was and still is a poorly executed maneuver, with the ‘08 election already looming too large too soon, I can’t see anyone of any affiliaton who does agree with Lt. Watada sticking their neck out, for fear of the potential backlash. (Politicians often baa like sheep to the tune of the voting populace near major elections.) Instead I predict we’ll see a rather slow and painful easing off in time, although how long of a time remains to be seen.
I do feel that thus far, injustice is looming over this case. I still am keenly interested to see the result, and not in a morbid kind of way, instead in a rather hopeful American kind of way.
My prediction? He won’t be serving in Iraq either way any time soon, so for better or dishonerable discharge/prison time, he’ll get his wish on one level.
— Posted by lilyofthevalley
2007
7:04 pm
“Whether he thought this war was justified or not, he is not and never was in a position to question this war.”
That is what the Nazis claimed when they were brought to trial. ‘We were just following orders’.
Yes, that is what the military tries to drum into its soldiers: Just keep quiet and do what you are told.
But if what you are told to do is clearly wrong, you have an obligation - to yourself and to your country - not to do it.
And if it is not ‘clearly’ wrong, but there is a good chance that it is, then you have to stop and give the matter careful consideration.
Lt. Watada did not desert his soldiers in the field. He refused to go back once he was away from Iraq.
All armed forces want soldiers who don’t think. What a frightening concept.
— Posted by lydia
2007
7:04 pm
Has anyone who has posted actually served in the armed forces? At question here is not whether the Iraq war is legal or not - that is a question for the U.S. legal system. The question is whether an officer in the United States military is allowed to make his own personal determination of the legality or propriety of any military mission. Can an officer refuse to obey an order to shoot someone? Yes, if there is any belief in the moral wrongness of such an action under the given circumstances. To do so may require bravery of the highest level, but may still subject one to a fair military trial. But can any armed force member refuse an order to take part in a mission when no part of that mission will necessarily require a morally wrong or illegal behavior? If Lt. Watada received training intended to prepare himself for serving in Iraq, can he refuse to scale a wall to train for such a mission? If he were to actually travel to Iraq and be ordered to build a bridge, or participate in a supply convoy, or guard munitions, can he refuse any of these orders because he questions the legality of the war in Iraq? He says he would be willing to travel to Afghanistan to serve. If he did so, and was ordered to take convoy supplies for his battalion, would it be acceptable for him to make his own determination of the whether fulfilling his duty might be part of a larger illegal action in Afghanistan? What if he were assigned duty in Germany, and was given K.P. duty? Could he refuse to serve food to forces who were being sent to Iraq, because he didn’t believe in the legality of the conflict? Is it appropriate for an officer of the U.S. armed forces to futhermore encourage mutiny when no morally wrong act is being directly ordered? Was it right for Bush to start the war in Iraq when the power to declare war resides exclusively with Congress according to our Constitution? Was it legal for JFK to start the war in Vietnam without an explicit declaration of war by Congress?
— Posted by Mark
2007
7:05 pm
Thank you so much, Lt. Watada. I have been downhearted of late that the crooks and liars of Bush and company seem to have taken over control of our once great nation. You are a ray of hope for all of us who pray for a return of democracy, the rule of law, and fair elections.
— Posted by Andrew Peck, Woodstock, NY
2007
7:05 pm
Such behavior among soldiers is intolerable. If allowed to stand, such an action would destroy the chain of command and discipline of our armed forces. He was not asked to commit a crime or violate international or national law. Each soldier is entitled to his/her opinion but “theirs is not to reason why, theirs is but to do or die.” Some may be impressed by this soldier’s actions because they agree with his assessment of the mission he was asked to perform. This is not the issue. If this soldier’s convictions are so strong he should be willing to take responsibility for his actions and accept punishment for them.
— Posted by Mitchel L. Galishoff
2007
7:14 pm
To those who say men and women in the military must always do as they are told, I atrongly disagree. I think an honorable service person puts aside personal morality at a terrible cost,to their own lives and to the ideals of a better world. In practical terms, look at the Abu Graib torturers: they supposedly were following orders. The higher ranks weren’t put on trial, the torturers were. Even internally the services purport to value personal morality and Lt. Watada has taken a heroic stand in terms of the highest personal morality. I have the deepest sympathy for everyone in the Iraq war, Americans and Iraqis — and I know I can never imagine what they are going through. However, when service persons put aside personal morality — either through choice or through being turned into monsters by the hell of war — that’s when there are killings, rapes and murders of the innocents, such as in Viet Nam and in Iraq. Even in war there are those who stand for higher purposes as the world crumbles around them, as their own national leaders lie and mislead them. These are heroes. This war is a perfect example of when it is good for true patriots to dissent and for individuals to refuse to become torturers or random killers. We didn’t allow the “following orders” justification for Nazis of the WWII massacres; when we hear of a German who fled rather than follow orders we consider that person a hero. Of course, as some posters say, President Bush is not on trial. But if this were a representative democracy he would be challenged and stopped for his rapacious lies, deceptions and illegal practices. He has brought great harm to our country and the world, he has caused thousands of innocent Americans and Iraqis to die or be maimed. Since he, like a king, has seized so much power he cannot be stopped by impeachment, trial, or other methods, it’s up to individual Americans to stand on a higher plane until the time when perhaps our country will be returned to us, and the world no longer needs to fear an insular and imperialist American president. Mr. Bush speaks of “his” war for which he must have his “success.” His power grows as he defies his own people and the world, but his stature shrinks ever smaller. By contrast Lt. Watada is a hero of legendary courage who stands very tall upon the strange horizon made by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. The entire world has seen Mr. Bush put on un-earned military garb like an operatic buffoon. Now it can see the heroism of Lt. Watada and others like him and feel a ray of hope. History will judge Mr. Bush — despite his power there will never be enough coverups to clean the blood from his hands.
— Posted by china altman
2007
7:14 pm
Lt. Watada is an American hero. Certainly, he has more courage than all the senators and representatives who have been bickering about language in a NON-BINDING resolution expressing their now-fashionable “opposition” to the war. It is Bush who should be on trial, not Lt. Watada. If the lieutenant has a defense fund, I’d also like to contribute to it.
— Posted by Maryanne Conheim
2007
7:18 pm
Let us hope that one day we will be to put Mr. Bush on trial. I refuse to consider Mr.Bush as President of our country or the Commander in Chief. He is a criminal, and his mental retardation is not severe enough to be a mitigating factor.
— Posted by V Larin
2007
7:19 pm
Lt. Watada is upholding the Neureberg rules that we rightly established to try the German Criminals that makes everyone responsible for crimes they conduct even if ordered by a superior. It is the military that is breaking the law not Lt Watada who is rightly upholding the law.
Americans and for that matter the rest of the world are indebted to him for like Socrates he is standing up for his and our principles.
— Posted by Demos
2007
7:21 pm
I am a Republican; I voted for Barry Goldwater 42 years ago. I also support Lt. Watada and think the war in Iraq an abomination. George Bush has set the Republicans back 50 years. Be careful as you elect another politician with no foreign affairs experience to the Presidency.
— Posted by JT Guy
2007
7:21 pm
This court martial of Lt.Watada is being carried
out by a biased jury. As Scott mentioned, the peer officers are all subject to future political
influence in their future careers. Why not have a
jury of retired or former officrs?
— Posted by trumpet bob
2007
7:24 pm
A First Lt.,encouraging,( his?), soldiers to throw down their arms deserves a lot more than four years.
Soldiers do what they are told!
— Posted by donovan jacobs
2007
7:24 pm
Wow! I’m feel proud again to be an American. What courage. GWB and Co. could use 1/10 of this man’s courage. Thank you Lt. Watada, God bless you
— Posted by Robert
2007
7:30 pm
I think the defense mis-used the term “Nuremberg Defense.” I’m no stranger to the law of war and, before now, always heard the term used as a synonym for “superior orders,” that is, that a soldier is not liable for a war crime if he was ordered to commit it. In this light “Nuremberg Defense” is a mis-nomer, as it was also attempted at war crimes trials that Germans held for their own soldiers who committed war crimes in the First World War. “Leipzig Defense” is more like it.
— Posted by Ewen Allison
2007
7:35 pm
Sadly, the typical American does not give a hoot about this case. As long as they have their sports, the latest fashion and gossip, and fast-food, they could care less. And those in Washington, as long as they see that we Americans do not care about the real definition of a just war or democracy, will continue feeding this war to distract us from seeing that we are losing our American values.
— Posted by Greg
2007
7:36 pm
Lt. Watada is a brave and conscientious man. It is misleading to title this article “Trial for soldier who refused to fight.” What he has refused to do is lead his men into dishonor.
— Posted by Seth
2007
7:42 pm
Eventually, I think it is safe to assume that there will be an American Service member on trial for War Crimes. I fear this case will be problematic in that prosecution. If there is a precedent that says a service member can not refuse duty he strongly believes to be wrong, then there is no choice. Axis leaders were held accountable following the second war, and the “I was under orders” argument did not excuse them. Does this ruling have future consequences?
— Posted by Jason B
2007
7:47 pm
Could someone answer me 1 question…When was this battle with Iraq, ever declared a “WAR” by Bush??????
— Posted by mountainman
2007
7:56 pm
Lt. Watada is a man of principle, unlike the careerists that Rumsfeld promoted. It is interesting that Shinseki and Watada are both Japanese Americans, both honorable persons and both kicked out of the service.
Lt. Watada’s superiors could have shown an ounce of good sense and cut orders for him to fight in Afghanistan, but these careerist stinkers valued their pride and ego more than any honor, which is why they decided to crucify Lt. Watada in what is clearly kangaroo court martial proceedings.
— Posted by blacklight
2007
7:59 pm
It is beyond me to understand such men as Mr. Watada. There are many who have come before him. They refuse at full expense to themselves, apparently transported to a plane where pure principle makes them strong as steel against a monstrous enemy — they refuse to obey military orders. It is beyond me to understand where they get the strength. I can only humbly admire them and wish them the strength of 1000 angels.
It is not surprising that the U.S. government will not allow the Nuremberg Defense. That Defense was a double bind from the start. The criminal order a soldier refuses to obey is only a criminal order after the criminal regime is terminated and a kinder sense of law replaces the law of the vanquished Government. So a soldier can be punished by the government he or she refuses to obey, now, or later by the winning side which can then punish him or her for having obeyed it. Punished whether you obey or not. Just by whom differs.
It’s time for millions to imitate the good Mr. Watada, and change the way things are.
— Posted by Steve Elkind
2007
8:11 pm
The real criminal here is the Bush Administration. The war was based on lies and misrepresentations. Bush has broken the law a number of times; the war, the illegal wire tapping, the misuse of the Patriot Act. I strongly believe that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield should be held accountable for their crimes. Lt. Watada’s refusal to go to Iraq is the only bright spot in this whole mess.
–Posted by William
— Posted by William Lefko
2007
8:12 pm
I think that whoever here wrote that Lt. Watada deserves his fate for enlisting in the military in the first place has blindly failed to see the chronology of his service. He enlisted with the belief, in good faith, that he was doing the right thing and defending the United States, which is at least in theory a model democracy to hold up to the rest of the world. What would you have done in his place when you discovered to your shame that you were being asked to serve in an illegal war, an immoral war, ordered by a corrupt president interested mainly in distracting his constituents from his failed domestic policies, and interested mainly in funneling “reconstruction” and oil contracts to his big business buddies?
I say more power to Lt. Watada for realizing this and standing up to it. Soldiers are not drones.
— Posted by Amnon
2007
8:16 pm
“Is there at least a way to contribute to a defense fund?”
I doubt it. But you may be able to contribute to his Lt. Wajada’s commissary account when he’s in Leavenworth. Courageous? Lt. Wajada is the coward, here, and he’s a traitor. EVERY war–including WWII–has required soldiers to engage in futile and misguided actions. Allow me to inform you that there were 2 million–that’s right, TWO MILLION–instances of soldiers refusing to obey orders, not in Korea, not in Vietnam, but in WWII. Don’t confuse being a soldier with being a patron picking and choosing from an a la carte menu in a tony Manhattan bistro.
Soldiers are not allowed to set policy in our nation. That’s the true meaning of a democracy. Lt. Wajada knew this when he volunteered to be an officer.
You think the military judge is cowardly and derelict of duty? What do ANY of you know about what it means to risk your affluent skins?
Personally, I’d love to see each and every one of you drafted into the service and shipped out. Then you could perhaps follow Lt. Wajada’s example–and help him “pull the train” that’s waiting for him in Leavenworth.
— Posted by Thomas
2007
8:20 pm
I agree with Lt. Watada. I must admit I wonder if George, Dick, Condi, Donald, Colin, and few others were sent to Iraq to fight in Iraq (in a lightly armored humvee), would they be willing to go and be the ones to do the fighting?
I think Lt. Watada is aware that as a soldier he should follow orders. He also knows that the war in Iraq is destined to failure because it does not pass muster as a just war. We will slog through this ongoing conflict until more courageous people like Watada stand up for what is right.
If he goes to jail, I hope he can find solace in knowing others before him (like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.) spent time in jail for a just cause.
— Posted by T. Tait
2007
8:21 pm
Soldiers take an oath to uphold the constitution. It seems insane to try someone who claims he refused to serve because he believes the war to be an illegal use of force by the President - and thus unconstitutional - and then not let him present that defense at his trial!
— Posted by Brandon
2007
8:21 pm
A person in the Military is NOT to follow orders blindly. A large number of everyday Nazi soldiers were executed for doing precisely that. I’m not saying that the current situation is remotely as bad as the holocaust, but soldiers should never blindly follow orders. As for the free speech issues, I can certainly understand the need for a soldier in theatre to not publically slander orders. Soldiers nowhere near the combat zone should not have the same requirements for becoming a “clear and present danger to the loyalty, discipline, mission, or morale of the troops”.
— Posted by Karl
2007
8:27 pm
I can find no logical fault in Lt. Watada’s stand. He joined the service to protect our liberty, not to participate in what history will surely prove to be this country’s worst debacle. I commend Lt. for his brave stand. I fear he will pay a heavy price for this, but he is a soldier willing to pay the ultimate price - for a just cause.
— Posted by Jason Wolffe
2007
8:27 pm
I wish to commend Lt Watada for having the courage of his convictions and for continuing to say those things which few others (soldiers, Congress-persons, or many non-politician leaders) will state publicly even though they do not face a military court. Members of the ‘voluntary’ army (many of whom are there for economic reasons) have the will to fight a more nearly ‘legitimate’ war. How many offspring of the wealthy class and/or the chicken-hawks in the Executive Branch, USA Government, have such a stake in this war in Iraq or other similar ‘false-flag’ operations?
— Posted by Bill Wilson
2007
8:30 pm
Great war hero of mine
— Posted by moba
2007
8:33 pm
When he took the oath on enlistment he committed perjury.Had no intentions of following it.Turf him
— Posted by Al
2007
8:35 pm
Alas, there are very few heros left in our society.
The concepts upon which this country was founded have been eroded away by the acid lies of this administration. Heros like Lt. Watada, Cindy Sheehan, and yes, even the Dixie Chicks have had to suffer by exercising their rights as American citizens. As a world traveler, I’ve heard continuously from others in our world,,,,” why do the American people continue to allow Bush to do this ?” Sadly, I have no answer.
— Posted by richard
2007
8:40 pm
Though I agree with Lt. Watada’s overall assessment of the war in Iraq, I’m not sure I agree with his argument to get out of fighting. Watada pledged to follow the orders of the U.S. government when he joined the military. In doing that, he also gave up his constitutional right to question the validity of the war. Some people I know contest all wars, including WWII and the Civil War, two horrific wars I believe served a higher purpose. Should a soldier have the ability to choose the war he or she fights in? I say no.
— Posted by Joe
2007
8:42 pm
Watada is a first class American hero, unlike his political counterparts in the US Congress. Watada calls it like it is..and Illegal, Immoral War, words that are too direct for Congress to understand.
— Posted by Stephennnn
2007
8:44 pm
How illegal and immoral does a military action have to be before an officer/soldier should be entitled to refuse to participate in it?
— Posted by J. Paul
2007
8:44 pm
in response to number 18: it’s sad that GWB is not on trial. There’s no question that the war in Iraq is illegal, it was all based on lies. This illegal action is responsible for several thousand of our troops and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. Hitler, Stalin, Milosevic, and a very long list of tyrants may or may not have pulled triggers themselves but were responsible too for illegal acts causing millions to die. Should they not have stood trial? What’s the difference? Bush should pay for his lies. I’m not a military man but I want to recall that a soldier does have the right to question and order he deems illegal and also his solemn oath to defend the constitution must mean something. It just shows that he wasn’t brain washed into jumping off the precipice when all the others did.
— Posted by Jack
2007
8:45 pm
After reading a few of the uniformed comments I can only say….Stop Waving the Flag, and READ the Constitution!!!! Watada is a true, first class hero.
— Posted by Stephennnnn
2007
8:47 pm
Bravo to Lt. Watada. Before an individual is beholden to an army, a country, or any larger collective of people, he must be true to himself. Lt. Watada has decided that his brief time on this earth will not be spent fighting an illegal war that benefits a few powerful men in Washington at the expense of millions. Rather, he has chosen to give his good name (and possibly his next 4 years of freedom) to speak out for what he knows is right. May we all one day be as true to our values as Lt. Watada.
— Posted by Dylan
2007
8:48 pm
The war in Iraq is an illegal war of agression. If the US and UK soldiers sent to fight there, refused to do so, the war would end tomorrow.
— Posted by SeaDog
2007
8:52 pm
I would strongly advice a son or daughter of mine, or anybody, not to join the armed forces of the United States, because of the development so far of this case
— Posted by elias
2007
8:53 pm
I went to West Point in the early 1960’s, and ended up opposing the actions of the US in Vietnam. At the time I appplauded soldiers who refused to engage in combat and to fly B-52’s over Hanoi. I also applaud Lt. Watada for his integrity and courage in the face of this illegal and unjust war, and thank him from the bottom of my heart for his actions and outspoken criticism of our government’s recent actions in Iraq. It is courage such as his that may help bring peace to the Middle East and to this country.
— Posted by Steven Norris
2007
8:53 pm
One thing we can be sure of. When history does settle down and sort itself out, many questions WILL once again be asked. I can’t informedly comment on the refusal to allow the legality of the war in the officer’s defense in this case, but it seems to me that without even the possibility to make that case, the officer cannot defend himself.
It will be a sad yet joyous day when the criminality that has gone on in the very highest seats of power is finally seen for what it is.
If 1st Lt. Watada is found guilty, I wonder what his sentence would be. Such a pity that the people who deserve to spend the rest of their lives behind bars for causing so much needless suffering will get to build libraries in their names, and become presidents of colleges, while Watada bides his time in military prison.
— Posted by Tarun
2007
8:54 pm
Everyone that enters the U.S. Military (Enlisted or Drafted)
understands when they sign their name that they except the rules and obligations that they have committed to.
For all the millions who have served their country Honorably this Officer is a disgrace to the Uniform of the U.S.Military. Refusing an order for Combat is tantamount to treason.
He should Except the Punishment he Rightfully deserves. He asked for it.
I enlisted and Proudly Served my Country for four years. These are my thoughts.
— Posted by H.KAPLAN
2007
8:59 pm
He is willing to go to Afghanistan because he beleives that we have cause to be there. He is a soldier who is standing up for something he beleives in. This is a rarity. He is against going to Iraq because he beleives we were sent there on false pretenses, which we were. A link between Al-Queda and Iraq? Weapons of mass destruction? Give me a break. The precendent we are setting by the invasion of Iraq is that its ok to invade when there is a dictator we dont agree with. Who the hell are we to get involved with other countries affairs. We ha I applaude the Lieutentant and his courage and only wish more people would realize it.
— Posted by Eric
2007
9:04 pm
Bush and Cheney (both usurpers) cannot be expected to understand military justice, one having avoided it in the case of desertion and the other not having served at all. Therefore, Lt. Watada is up against a power structure that is poisoned from the top (CINC) all the way down to the judge in this story. Good luck to the Lieutenant, but I fear that if his case is not featured as fully as it ought to be in the mainstream media (as a real Profile In Courage) then Americans will not give him the true salute, and eventual pardon after his likely conviction, that he clearly deserves. The posts that praised his parents are on-target. He is doing what I hope every thinking American would under these shameful circumstances.
— Posted by Schack
2007
9:06 pm
Sometimes I wonder how generally kind, patriotic people were roped into the Nazi war machine. I ask myself my they didn’t just say no. But then I see people arguing against Lt. Watada saying “when you join the army, you do whatever you’re told.” and I have a glimpse at the rationale.
— Posted by Jonathan E.
2007
9:12 pm
Indeed, we need honest and courageous people like First Lt. Ehren K. Watada in our world today. It’s obvious that the war Mr George Bush and his henchmen are waging in Iraq is based on lies and deceit. It’s time for us to rise and hold on to what we believe in. The war in Iraq is not worth fighting. Ehren Watada, I salute your courage; never lose hope, history and posterity will eventually vindicate you.
— Posted by Chukwuemeka Onyeriri
2007
9:21 pm
About thirty five years ago a courageous judge in Boston allowed a Nurnberg defense to be presented, and courts generally lean toward allowing full evidence before they rule on a matter. It is a sad commentary that Lt. Watada’s conscientious position is not being tried in a court of justice but is summarily stifled by citing ancient military codes. Perhaps they should send him to an internment camp as was done with so many of our citizens during World War II, or simply shoot him since we are engaged in a war and dissent amounts to treason.
— Posted by Mike Falkoff
2007
9:23 pm
In response to comment #19, there is a website where one can contribute to Lt. Watada’s defense fund. It is www.thankyouLT.org
Also, help keep this trial in the public eye by writing letters to the editor, and calling in to radio programs.
— Posted by Marian
2007
9:32 pm
I agree with Lt. Watada’s conclusions and position on Iraq, and I am surprised he was only charged with 3 counts of contempt (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz–that’s 5 right there). However, he is fighting a battle he cannot win, and he should’ve taken the outs offered to him by the Army (see NYT article on him referenced above) rather than reprising Custer’s last stand. Once you’re in the system, they own your carcass and can pretty much do what they want to with you. If you refuse, you are toast and will pay the price.
What Lt. Watada, while honoring the courage of his convictions (and doing his best to honor the ideals he swore to protect/defend) failed to do was to grasp the perspective the Army brings to bear on this issue as well as the options the Army sees as being available to resolve the problem: CO status, staff duty in Iraq, or the brig. The Army/military is blunt and inflexible and fairly literal and is faced with backing a humble 1LT over the big, bad Commander-in-Chief. How would it look if Col. Jackass at Fort Lewis found that the Iraq war is illegal? Then, he’d be tried for insubordination, too, and I’m quite sure that the dear colonel is not quite ready for his career to end just yet. In his book “War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning,” Chris Hedges (former NYTimes combat reporter) touches on a lot of the same points that Watada cites as being the basis of his refusal of a combat billet in Iraq: the glory of war is built on a lie, and the military counts on idealistic young men like Lt. Watada to volunteer to serve the god of war. If you’ve ever talked to a recruiter, then you know that every sweet-sounding opportunity is always leavened with the caveat that everything is contigent on the needs of the military. Maybe, the Commander-in-Chief will show some compassion and pardon Lt. Watada (should he be convicted) at the same time he gives a pardon to Scooter Libby and the medal of freedom to Rummy.
— Posted by Jake Hawkins
2007
9:32 pm
Sure, we are going to sign people up, train and pay them and then let them decide when they will fight……which most don’t do anyhow.
From now until the second coming we can all hide in the corner and cower and depend on the good manners and grace of evil men.
s/s 10 yr. vet
— Posted by JACK SALKOVICS
2007
9:33 pm
He should not compare it with “Neurenberg Trial”. That would set a bad precedence. Neurenberg Trail was a farce as it was a “victor’s justice”. The decision to hang defeated army members was taken way before the trial. No evidence from German soldiers was taken into account. Trial was pathetic way of justifying hanging of enemy in western society. So, Lt. Watada should refrain from that and talk about some other good precedence. He should be also careful not to arouse zionists else he can forget justice…:).
— Posted by Ehud Goldstein
2007
9:34 pm
How does Lt. Watada’s failure to show up for duty compare to George W. Bush’s failure to show up when the United States was paying a high price to train Bush to be a pilot?
I hope Lt. Watada’s trial gets the publicity that the issue deserves. I suspect that it will hardly be mentioned by the conventional news media, who seem to be intimidated by the Bush Administration.
— Posted by Idelle Peterson
2007
9:36 pm
What Ryk Bowers said.
Lt. Watada, I salute you. In order to stand by your principles, you have risked social opprobrium, sacrificed your career, and jeopardized your future well-being, thereby demonstrating moral courage of the highest degree. Physical courage is common in this world, but moral courage is in exceedingly short supply.
— Posted by World Citizen
2007
9:40 pm
He is a volunteer and he took an oath. He should live up it. If he refuses to do so he should be held accountable.
— Posted by Robert Derbenti
2007
9:48 pm
Lt.Watada is an american heroe. Congress should impeach cheney firts and President Bush for lying to the american people. When President Clinto lie nobody died. But the Republicans impeach him because they could not put up with the virility of a democratic president. Sex is nothing in this time and age. Maybe is a big deal for the relikgious right republicans but for the rest of us we can care the less. Impeach the lyning cowards that use their famiklies influence to avoid serving our country in times of war. I can not see the justice of giving Lt. Watanwa four years in jail, when the President and Cheney did the same thing when they were suppose to serve.
— Posted by Antonio Martinez
2007
10:04 pm
ITS TIME FOR OUR MILITARY AND OUR NATIONAL GUARD TO STEP UP AND FIGHT FOR AMERICA. OUR COUNTRY IS BEING TAKEN OVER BY CRIMINALS IN LEAVE WITH CRIMINALS, THE PRESS IS NO HELP, THE CONGRESS IS NO HELP, SO
JUST GO AWOL
JUST GO AWOL
JUST GO AWOL
THAT’S RIGHT, JUST GO AWOL
AS MY BROTHER THE VIET NAM VET SAYS
GO BIG OR STAY AT HOME
AND THIS IS MY REAL NAME: ELIZABETH MCBRIDE.
— Posted by Elizabeth McBride
2007
10:07 pm
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz are the ones that should be on trial. Let’s begin with the crime of ‘crimes against humanity. Rudy
— Posted by Rudy Pucel
2007
10:16 pm
In response to #s 12 & 19, Lt. Watada’s supporters have a website at www.thankyoult.org.
— Posted by Helen
2007
10:18 pm
I would have to suspect that most, if not all of those responding who are calling 1LT Watada a hero, etc., have never served in the military. This is not an issue regarding the morality of the war in Iraq.
It is simply about whether or not 1LT Watada, as an officer in the U.S. Army, can choose which conflicts he can be deployed to. If he can do this, then so can everyone else within the military, and where does that leave the armed forces? If soldiers and other members of the military can decide at will whether or not to be deployed, then the cornerstone of obedience to orders will be fundamentally and irrevocably destroyed.
How many privates will obey an order to “take a hill”, at the risk of their lives, if they have the option of not obeying those orders? The inherent danger of military operations necessitates immediate and unquestioning obedience to orders, something that I suspect many NY Times readers really don’t accept in their heart of hearts.
1LT Watada has every right to leave the military at the end of his term of service and choose never to serve again, in opposition to the Iraq war. As a serving officer, however, he does not have the option of picking and choosing which orders he will obey. That is the issue here, nothing more or less.
Joe
— Posted by Joe
2007
10:21 pm
Lt. Watada is a hero. It is true, as someone observed that GW Bush and Gang are not on trial - Lt. Watada is.
Well, Lt. Watada should be honoured - and GW Bush and Gang should be removed from power and put on trial as war criminals.
— Posted by GS Chandy
2007
10:29 pm
The military will have its cake and it eat it too in this case.
Lt. Watada SHOULD be held rightfully accountable - but so should many senior military and civilian officials for far greater “conduct unbecoming” in this conflict.
They will not. President Bush and his administration went as far as making sure they passed legislation absolving them of violating the War Crimes Act of 1996 and other statutes.
We cannot legislate away Lt. Watada’s crimes or anyone else’s.
Lt. Watada should be applauded for his convictions in the face of severe punishment. Our leaders show none of this character or the willingness to stand up for what they believe in. They wrote themselves a free pass for grave violations of our laws, while Lt. Watada will spend years in prison for hurting no one at all.
— Posted by Seth
2007
1:02 am
Lawful is the word for Lt Watada’s position on unlawful orders, by not obeying an unlawful order you have followed your constitution the highest law in the land, the vow of the many supersedes the vow to the few. Lt watada’s actions were a perfectly legitimate thing to do, when a superior gives an unlawful, and illegal order not in the interests of the military or the people it is mandated that the officer or enlisted man not to carry out that order. The court is the one to decide using the interpetations of military law…that last statement are in the law of the military. Aloha and good luck with the real lawful Judges & peers
— Posted by Kalikolehua Kanaele
2007
7:18 am
It doesn’t matter what your personal views are of a given war or conflict. When you join the military part of what you are signing up for is to obey the lawful orders of your superiors. When you refuse to do that it is a punishable offense under the UCMJ. This man being an officer is well aware of the UCMJ and knows the consequences of his actions. When he tried to incite a wider disobedience of the lawful order his unit was given, he violated even more articles of the UCMJ.
The guy needs to be stripped of his military rank, thrown in prison for some time and be completely disgraced in the press and public. People need to be held accountable for their actions and he should be treated harshly. Now before all you bleeding heart types go into a rant about the “Illegal” things the president has done in office, it is a separate issue. Because you think one person has broken the law is no reason for you to do the same thing. Mr. Bush and his actions will be held accountable in the right place and time, and that place is not in the military courtroom presiding over Lt. Watadas case.
— Posted by Jim Williams
2007
2:12 pm
The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, passed by both houses in Congress takes away Lt. Watada’s argument for the legality of this war. It doesn’t matter if the President and his administration sold this war by linking it to 9/11, or if they went on a soapbox and said the muslims will take away Christmas if we don’t invade. Congress authorized the President to use military force against Iraq. This authorization made his orders legal, and his refusal to go is disobedience of a lawful order, whether he agreed with the morals or not. Lt. Watada has no leg to stand on (legally speaking) in this matter.
— Posted by QuasiMondo
2007
2:55 pm
Only four years! For a cancer such as Lt. Watada, there has to be a harsher sentence they could come up with. Those of you rooting for Lt. Watada are effectively rooting against the military. Success in this endeavor for Lt. Watada will lead to a breakdown of command, less effectiveness and more casualties in the military. How exactly could this be a good thing? Amazingly enough, he makes the John Kerry war/post-war experience look good.
— Posted by Dave!
2007
2:57 pm
World Citizen
“Physical courage is common in this world, but moral courage is in exceedingly short supply.” Apparently so is intellegence and common sense.
— Posted by Dave!
2007
5:19 pm
Most of us hhave not served in the military, and what the military is doing to Lt. Watada clearly shows that its sense of honor is totally unlike ours. If such in the case, what is the point of serving in the military? The military needs to clean up its act, if it does not want to alienate the American people. The military is not a caste unto itself, it needs to reflect the values of the American people, and it needs to reflect them accurately.
An honorable US Army officer refuses to serve in what he considers an illegal war in Iraq, and has offered instead to serve in Afghanistan. All the brass has to do is to swallow its arrogance, send the man to Afghanistan, and be done with this issue.
— Posted by blacklight
2007
9:35 pm
While reading the comments posted above I am amazed at the inability to distinguish between a soldier’s disobeying an illegal order from one who simply disagrees with policy. How could anyone compare the current war with the Nazi atrocities? It is not only a flawed analogy but demeans the suffering of the millions whom were persecuted and died under Hitler. Nazi policy was driven by racial hatred and greed packaged as social Darwinism. That atrocities were committed in Nazi Germany was so self-evident that the depraved indifference and criminal intent of those who participated in them was beyond a reasonable doubt. Where in this current conflict do we act murderously with racial hatred? How can such an analogy be anything but hysteria? This soldier clearly disagrees with policy. The complex nature of the decisions and actions of this administration, the lack of first hand classified information, that a substantial number of our citizens do not hold these radical views, makes the situation a far cry from self-evident. It is a tragedy of post-modernism that so many people have lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong. This soldier is claiming that his personal disagreement with policy is the same as such policy being criminal. In addition to being egocentric, biased and incorrect, it is a dangerous precedent. He should be found guilty and receive the appropriate punishment. Does anyone realize that the bad guys are the terrorists and sectarian murderers whose ideology is not far from National Socialism? If they were here placing bombs and killing people all over our country would you still see them as victims? The behavior of these “groups” in one form or another predates our involvement by centuries. Any civilized society should not and cannot tolerate such radical barbarism. We are indeed an ingenious people. We like to chastise ourselves for the heinous actions of others.
— Posted by Mitchel L. Galishoff
2007
1:32 am
blacklight
“Most of us hhave not served in the military, and what the military is doing to Lt. Watada clearly shows that its sense of honor is totally unlike ours.” My sense of honor says that when i give my word or make a committment, i keep it. Lt. Watada seems fit for politics but not for the military.
— Posted by Dave!
2007
9:20 am
“My sense of honor says that when i give my word or make a committment, i keep it.” Dave
And my sense of honor says that when circumstances have changed to the point where keeping my word either makes no sense or becomes destructive, then I won’t be keeping my word. And I am not bound to keep my word to someone who takes advantage of my good faith to backstab me or to someone who operates on bad faith either. Unlike you, I don’t regard keeping my word as an ethical absolute. Other than that, I’d rather get killed or maimed keeping my word rather than go on living with the fact that I didn’t keep it - It hurts less. I am a civilian, I keep my word but I am neither insane nor stupid nor dogmatic about it.
You seem to totally ignore the fact that Lt. Watada offered to serve in Afghanistan, which as far as I know is no resort area. I think the likes of you see Lt.Watada as the nail that sticks out, and trying your level best to hammer it down. The likes of you could have walked away from the entire issue and issued him orders to go to Afghanistan, but your preference is obviously to beat the man down into submission.
— Posted by blacklight
2007
5:07 pm
Assuming Lt Watada had a good understanding of the
military’s idea of “military justice”, what he is doing takes a lot more guts than brains. Let’s face it “justice” in the military is a “joke” at
best and “poverty and filth” otherwise.
Military justice has a long history of letting
murdering and raping GI’s off with a slap of the wrist. It is no accident that Bush and his toady,Gonzales, want whoevever he labels an “enemy combatant” to be tried by a “military tribunal”. It assures their fate to to a degree that rivals the worst of the “kangaroo courts”. Unless your Dad is an important government official, any military court will automatically assume you are guilty…the only question is whether you get a letter of reprimand (best chance for that is to be a “lifer” officer near retirement) or several or many years in the brig.
Lt Watada is right as rain. Unfortunately even in a post “Nurnberg” world, he is virtually begging to be crucified. The military fears nothing more than “disobedience” to any order….doesn’t matter if legal or illegal. From day one they wanted this indivual’s trial to proceed on a “greased double time” pace to the nearest military prison…which incidentally are run every bit as disrespectfully as their civilian counterparts.
Mr Watada’s goose is unfortunately cooked. For his courageous stand, he will have to serve more
time that will a host of really bad characters
who didn’t openly disobey a direct military order.
— Posted by Ed Seewann
2007
7:00 pm
This soldier’s decision was not based upon first hand experience from the Iraqi theater of operations. He was not in Iraq and ordered to commit some atrocity. He, like many of our brave soldiers, would likely been in a position to protect the lives of innocent Iraqis from the sectarian violence. He may have been involved in reconstruction, security and have had the opportunity to use his sense of moral duty to do some kindness for a poor Iraqi child or family that would otherwise suffer some calamity. The more I ponder this soldier’s decision, the more political and disingenuous it seems. His defense is predicated on an individual soldier’s right to decide policy for himself. He never went and by not going will never know if he would have been asked to commit a war crime or to act selfishly and heroically. I don’t believe arguments regarding the lawfulness of the current war are relevant to this case. He was never placed in a position to actually be faced with a moral choice. His defense is assumptions and possibilities not actualities. His position seems less tenable the more I think about it.
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